seeing the clip you include caused me no small shock of recognition in seeing the similarity between Bette and a neighbir and friend of mine for 20 years who succumbed to lung cancer not long ago...they were both gifted by inability to dissemble in any way but met world head on letting the personality, caustic humor and all shine through and seduce by bei g genuine if at times terrifying
such a thoro piece Caroline (hmmm does Lyz have competition now? 👹 😉🤣)
They were both Oscar winners, Davis winning twice and Crawford once, among many nominations for them both. So it was clearly the mechanisms of the studio system that worked against them, even more than each other.
I can’t help but to think that the instigation of female rivalry is to dissect and separate the magnitude of what women hold - multitudes, whole worlds. Our society has feared recognizing and honoring our complexity both alone and in comparison to another without it all being for “show”, just some overplayed drama. Yet, women persevere if only to show a small sliver of their truth. Those blessed to step back gain a different perspective of all those discounted slivers and half-truths understand how dangerous or nearly impossible it would be for one person to bare it all. We, together, each play our parts to tell stories no one would listen to or grasp at all once even if it paints us as the petty villain in the moment. This collective effort to be ourselves is so full of sacrifice. This was an incredible read, Caroline. I found myself lingering on your descriptions in awe!
Maurissa, you nailed it- “to dissect and separate the magnitude of what women hold.” They see our power and it’s terrifying to some. It’s such a privilege to look at these women and try and find a more honest way…thank you for being here 🤍
This was such a fun and illuminating read!! Has anybody made the argument that their feud was good for their careers? It's juicy & adds dimension and electricity. In the vein of "there's no such thing as bad publicity...?" Ironically, it seems they magnified each other.
To this, I say, You said it sister, and to state is more precisely it was men pitting women against each other, they do it all the time for sport as if it is becoming, it is not, it is childish and baseless: And they perfectly mask a deeper, more insidious truth: society's compulsion to pit women against each other.
And when we call men out on the bs other women label us as being either angry (if a minority) or bitter (if a non-minority), it is gaslighting on steroids, and I am personally sick of the bullshit.
Love this installment. Embarrassingly, I’ve not seen any of their films. You’ve brought them to life for me and now I want to see what this is all about!
Love your fascinating look at this epic feud….I think hate is as passionate as love at times, and as invigorating and addictive. They both seemed to be fueled by the battle and there’s no such thing as bad publicity, right?
Too bad they didn’t join forces, they could have kicked some ass as a duo. Perhaps in their next lives….
I so agree. It comes from the same place and is super addictive. I’m reminded of an interview where Bette talked about how she never made friends with other big actresses…because they never saw each other — only room for one big female name per movie lol.
Another incredible Flippin’ the Script! WOW! Every line was so damn captivating. I didn’t want it to end!!!!
I love how you kick down all the bullshit surface-level assumptions to display the true heart and soul of these women, allowing us an accurate view to see them in their proper form. The way you elegantly guide our attention to what matters is expert level. 💥
Thank you, my dear!!! It feels like a fun pet project that’s really just an excuse to talk through the weird shit in my head. But you finding any meaning here makes my heart EXPLODE ❤️🔥⚡️
I’m on the oasis sibling rivalry, they are playing again after years of hiatus. I think it’s deep kind of love/energy that causes these things. Deep hate and love is coming from the same thing. In the end, it’s always good to subjugate ego for a craft greater than these strong emotions
To answer this question: Why are we so quick to accept the idea that women must be at each other’s throats? Because men are so quick to play women against one another, and women are so quick to pretend as if we do not realize we are being played like an out-of-tune piano!
“Their rivalry — whether exaggerated or wholly genuine — was a symptom of a world uneasy with their power.”
☄️☄️
Some things persist, eh?
SERIOUSLY!! It’s all cyclical…
seeing the clip you include caused me no small shock of recognition in seeing the similarity between Bette and a neighbir and friend of mine for 20 years who succumbed to lung cancer not long ago...they were both gifted by inability to dissemble in any way but met world head on letting the personality, caustic humor and all shine through and seduce by bei g genuine if at times terrifying
such a thoro piece Caroline (hmmm does Lyz have competition now? 👹 😉🤣)
Apple, I’m so sorry about your Friend! If they were anything like Bette, I’m sure I would have loved them too.
My friend called because now she’s walking around singing “whatever happened to baby Jane?” 🤣
started something 🤣
At the heart of these words lies a considerable strength, Caroline. Thank you!
🥰🥰🥰
They were both Oscar winners, Davis winning twice and Crawford once, among many nominations for them both. So it was clearly the mechanisms of the studio system that worked against them, even more than each other.
Absolutely!! Two magnificent performers! I often think of the photo of Joan receiving her Oscar in bed.
I can’t help but to think that the instigation of female rivalry is to dissect and separate the magnitude of what women hold - multitudes, whole worlds. Our society has feared recognizing and honoring our complexity both alone and in comparison to another without it all being for “show”, just some overplayed drama. Yet, women persevere if only to show a small sliver of their truth. Those blessed to step back gain a different perspective of all those discounted slivers and half-truths understand how dangerous or nearly impossible it would be for one person to bare it all. We, together, each play our parts to tell stories no one would listen to or grasp at all once even if it paints us as the petty villain in the moment. This collective effort to be ourselves is so full of sacrifice. This was an incredible read, Caroline. I found myself lingering on your descriptions in awe!
Maurissa, you nailed it- “to dissect and separate the magnitude of what women hold.” They see our power and it’s terrifying to some. It’s such a privilege to look at these women and try and find a more honest way…thank you for being here 🤍
My fav flippin the script yet!!!
Damn, you’re my fav 🤗🥰
This was such a fun and illuminating read!! Has anybody made the argument that their feud was good for their careers? It's juicy & adds dimension and electricity. In the vein of "there's no such thing as bad publicity...?" Ironically, it seems they magnified each other.
They have!! And that’s why the movie was such a success. Audiences wanted to see what the feud produced.
Another fun and interesting read! 👏👏👏
Thank you!!😊
You have to admit, this is a damn good movie: Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
I love it so much! And Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte 😳
OMG that is a good one also!
To this, I say, You said it sister, and to state is more precisely it was men pitting women against each other, they do it all the time for sport as if it is becoming, it is not, it is childish and baseless: And they perfectly mask a deeper, more insidious truth: society's compulsion to pit women against each other.
Thank you so much!! It’s always so obvious in retrospect but we still fail to call it out in real time.
They are conditioned to do it very early, and we are conditioned to pretend as though we do not see it occurring before I eyes!
😭😭😭
And when we call men out on the bs other women label us as being either angry (if a minority) or bitter (if a non-minority), it is gaslighting on steroids, and I am personally sick of the bullshit.
Love this installment. Embarrassingly, I’ve not seen any of their films. You’ve brought them to life for me and now I want to see what this is all about!
You must start with All About Eve. Low stakes drama and the wittiest dialogue ever. Thank you ☺️
I’m loving these flippin’ the scripts! 🔥 Your takes are perfection as always! 👏👏👏
Thank you, my friend 🥰❤️🔥
Love your fascinating look at this epic feud….I think hate is as passionate as love at times, and as invigorating and addictive. They both seemed to be fueled by the battle and there’s no such thing as bad publicity, right?
Too bad they didn’t join forces, they could have kicked some ass as a duo. Perhaps in their next lives….
I so agree. It comes from the same place and is super addictive. I’m reminded of an interview where Bette talked about how she never made friends with other big actresses…because they never saw each other — only room for one big female name per movie lol.
Except for The Women, where Joan is amazing!
Another incredible Flippin’ the Script! WOW! Every line was so damn captivating. I didn’t want it to end!!!!
I love how you kick down all the bullshit surface-level assumptions to display the true heart and soul of these women, allowing us an accurate view to see them in their proper form. The way you elegantly guide our attention to what matters is expert level. 💥
Thank you, my dear!!! It feels like a fun pet project that’s really just an excuse to talk through the weird shit in my head. But you finding any meaning here makes my heart EXPLODE ❤️🔥⚡️
Truly one of my favorite reads!!!!! 😍
🫂🤍🫂
I’m on the oasis sibling rivalry, they are playing again after years of hiatus. I think it’s deep kind of love/energy that causes these things. Deep hate and love is coming from the same thing. In the end, it’s always good to subjugate ego for a craft greater than these strong emotions
That’s an amazing way to look at it…it comes from the same place. And maybe because it shares an origin, they can transfer from hate to love!!
To answer this question: Why are we so quick to accept the idea that women must be at each other’s throats? Because men are so quick to play women against one another, and women are so quick to pretend as if we do not realize we are being played like an out-of-tune piano!